In this powerful episode of the PolySoCal Podcast, host Patty guides a roundtable of six incredible women—Heather, Jenna, Cupcake, Captain Lynn, and Lana—through a deeply honest conversation about what to expect when entering the world of open or non-traditional relationships. Drawing on lived experience and hard-earned wisdom, they explore how to ask for what you need, how to stay grounded in your values, and how to handle emotional overwhelm without losing yourself. This episode is a safe, welcoming space for anyone curious about stepping into this lifestyle—especially women seeking truth and connection on their own terms.
Participants: Patty, Heather, Jenna, Cupcake, Captain Lynn, Lana
Alonzo Banx (00:00)
Welcome to another night of the Poly SoCal Podcast. I am Alonzo Banks. We have an incredibly special night tonight. Tonight is Ladies Night. We’re going to be talking about what it is to come into this community as a woman, what concerns, issues and thoughts, but most importantly, I’m going to shut up tonight. We’re going to have Patty take over tonight and this is going to be Ladies Night.
Patty (00:23)
Hi, I’m Patti. Welcome to Poly So Cal. Tonight we have a group of wonderful women to talk about what you should know before entering this lifestyle, do’s and don’ts. So tonight, let’s go around and introduce ourselves by starting with Captain Lin. Tell us about yourself and how you came to be in this community.
Captain Lynn (00:43)
Yeah, thank you, Patty. My name is Captain Lynn. I started out in more in the swinging community. Close to 20 years ago now, and that’s really when I discovered I probably been poly all my life. Just wasn’t being honest about it. So I learned about ⁓ integrity in that conversation and how to navigate being a part of poly dynamic relationships.
Patty (01:03)
you, Lynn. How about you, Cupcake? Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Cupcake (01:06)
Hi, I’m Cupcake. I think this is my sixth episode with everyone. I have been in the lifestyle more BDSM for the last about 10 years. Fully, well partly monogamous, my entire relationship with my husband, been together about eight years. In about the last year, year and a half to two years, we kind of started opening up the relationship more.
And now I am also partnered with Noah and Cookie who have also participated. Been with them for about a year. Yeah, so fairly new to
Patty (01:39)
Heather, tell us about you.
Heather (01:41)
Hi, I’m Heather. I am married and I’m also in the quad poly cool dating Patty and John. And I also have a girlfriend outside of the poly cool. been in lifestyle for 10 years and fairly new to poly within like the last three years.
Patty (01:58)
you, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Lana (02:00)
Hi I’m very new to this community and enjoying every podcast which I’m attending, learning a lot. Thank you.
Patty (02:10)
Jenna, tell us a little bit about yourself.
Jenna (02:12)
⁓ I was in the BDSM community quite a bit. ⁓ I did some professional submissive for a dungeon in LA for a little while and I have some experience with like a poly BDSM kind of situation. But currently I am with one monogamous man who’s very vanilla. It’s very ⁓
It’s very different from what I’m used to. But we’ve been together 20 years and we make it work, so.
Patty (02:39)
Lana or yeah, let’s go with Lana. Tell us one thing since you’re newer to the community. What’s one thing that you’ve learned in the time that you’ve been in this lifestyle?
Lana (02:52)
what I learn, what hell yes means and what is no means and what maybe and maybe is no as well and when I’m true to myself and I know what is my hell yes everything going very well and if I’m not sure I’m learning how to say not now I’m not ready yet and it’s practice I’m learning how to do this and
Looking forward to practice more.
Patty (03:19)
Captain Lin, how would you say that ⁓ personal boundaries have contributed to what we need to know in this lifestyle?
Captain Lynn (03:27)
Well, the beauty of this lifestyle is it helped me really start to understand my personal boundaries. Like, you know, when I first got into it, I didn’t have anybody talking to me about consensual non-consent. They would just say, yes means yes, no means no, but I really didn’t get any more depth out of the folks I was stepping into community with, into the Swinger community. So it’s like a different kind of different take on it than the conscious community. And ⁓
So I learned my boundaries the hard way really, like having things happen and then drama happening because I didn’t really see that maybe one person in the relationship or dynamic was not really a yes. And so they were kind of going along with it. And then I would also catch myself going along with some kind of play activity and maybe in my gut going, huh, I don’t know. But I didn’t, I wasn’t a no in that situation.
And then the aftermath of that was so disappointing. So I started to listen to my gut more and really realizing that if I have any kind of body sensation in any situation to just take a step back, take a breath and go, you know, do I really want to be here? And like Lana is saying, is like learning to say, this just doesn’t feel right in this moment. I need to take a break. So.
I do love the lifestyle just because of how much it’s helped me grow, particularly around boundaries.
Patty (04:45)
How about you for a cupcake? have personal boundaries kind of come in to play during your experiences?
Cupcake (04:51)
I learned to establish my boundaries and actually ask for them. As someone that has been a people pleaser all my life, coming into a more open poly relationship, I really had to instruct those boundaries or make sure that they’re actually being met and actually being communicated. Because, know, again, like we were kind of saying,
There’s points where you say yes to something and you just go along with it because you just think that’s the right thing to do. But how much damage is that actually doing to your mental health, you know? And over time, having to teach myself like, okay, it’s time to actually do something about it. Like, okay, I need to say this is a boundary and we’re not gonna do it. And making more communication because of that. know, my communication with my husband has deepened
so much more because you know get complacent when you’re with someone for so long and you start not having conversations because it’s what’s changed you know you’ve got the same thing every day and so just being able to have better communication with him in general just about anything and I mean the communication that I have with Noah and Cookie is on the charts because you know I don’t live with them so I have to be in constant communication with them to be able to plan things to be able to be
communicating boundaries or things that need to be discussed. But yeah, it’s setting up the boundaries and then actually doing something about it.
Patty (06:13)
Heather, how does Personal Boundaries come into play for you?
Heather (06:16)
I think I’m a little opposite of Captain Lin and Cupcake. I’m not a people pleaser. I’m kind of just a Heather pleaser. whatever I like doing, I’m going to do. Only said yes to something I really didn’t want to do one time in the lifestyle. And it’s never happened again beyond that. I’m selfish in that fact in lifestyle. I hold my
boundaries to, uh, but they’re up here and there’s no gray area for them. So I like doing whatever I like doing. And I’m in this lifestyle for myself 100 % of the time.
Patty (06:54)
Jenna, how does personal boundaries affect you?
Jenna (06:57)
⁓ so boundaries are, boundaries are kind of weird for me. ⁓ so I learned boundaries in a BDSM relationship, the, before I got into my relationship that I’m in now and like, I, ⁓ I learned, I don’t know how to explain this. So most people learn boundaries in whatever relationship they start off with. Right? So I learned, like I said,
through a BDSM relationship and we learned, you know, to communicate. And when you’re in a relationship with four other people and you don’t communicate, that causes a problem. And I was actually kind of surprised how that translated later on when I, you know, now that I’m just in a relationship with one person, you still have to communicate. And I think if you don’t communicate, it’s really detrimental no matter what.
You know, no matter what your dynamic is But boundaries though, I don’t yeah, I don’t know that’s I have no idea
Patty (07:47)
Captain Lin, what’s one thing, maybe two things, you would tell your newer self entering in the lifestyle that you wish you would have known?
Captain Lynn (07:56)
Hmm. Well, I wish it would have been a 25 year old me instead of a 42 year old me first off, but
The clarity is really asking understanding not only what do I want in stepping into any kind of dynamic, but also the, do the others, what’s their desires? What are the agreements with each other or with other people really understand what that dynamic is for everybody. It’s participating. I’m just going to call it a placing or some kind of scene or a relationship agreement, but knowing what, where everybody stands makes a big difference in having that be.
fully expressed versus not knowing and then you cross a boundary and now there’s upset that was unintentional causes a lot of emotional strife. So being honest from my own perspective and hearing other people’s truths about what they do want and don’t want and what they’ve agreed to is really important at the beginning of all this.
Patty (08:50)
What for you a cupcake? What would you tell your newer self? Youngers? I didn’t want to say younger, but brand new to the lifestyle. What would you tell yourself? Yeah.
Cupcake (08:52)
you
My younger self? A baby. ⁓ Let’s
Heather (08:58)
Hahaha!
Cupcake (09:03)
see, yeah. I mean, I don’t want to put that upon anybody, but you know, you’re gonna make mistakes. And it’s gonna depend a lot how you handle those mistakes and how you come back from that or make up from it. Like, I’m a person that, not that I give chances or too many chances,
But I look at the intent of what happened in that situation. Yes, a mistake was made. We’re not perfect. No one’s perfect. And things happen. But how are you handling that situation now? And is it something you’re willing to put the effort in to repair or improve or do a deep dive on yourself and understand why did I make this change or why did I make this mistake or what was
leading up to it. You know, there’s going to be factors in it. I could say that, you know, a boundary was crossed in ⁓ a relationship and I looked back at what I was lacking when I made that choice and going back and trying to fix what that problem was so that I didn’t feel that that choice needed to be made for myself. But it’s also just making sure you have the respect for other people. They’re involved in that.
Patty (10:11)
How about you Heather?
Heather (10:13)
Cupcake, I like what you said about the person’s intent behind something. I also feel that’s a huge impact for me how I respond to something that’s happening, getting their perspective and what happened. That’s amazing and not a lot of people can do that.
what was the question?
Patty (10:30)
What would you tell your brand new self into the lifestyle that you wish you would have known?
Heather (10:34)
I I would have known. Gosh. Oh, I wish I would have known how much I love playing in the lifestyle. God, how exciting and fun it is. I know we always talk about the bad things that can happen in lifestyle, but man, I really wish I would have known going into it, because it’s a little scary going into it. How much fun you can have.
Patty (10:52)
like that. How about you, Lona?
Lana (10:55)
For me, I relate to cupcakes. think communication is the key. And I know in my bedroom, everything is known. Unknown could be leading to mistakes or some situation which mistakes could happen and we need to just clean up, clear up space. And I really like what Heather said.
⁓ fun and just bad things might happen but how much fun we could have as well so just dance between mistakes and fun it’s it’s cool balance and it’s exciting
Captain Lynn (11:32)
Yeah.
Patty (11:33)
How about you Jenna?
Jenna (11:34)
I don’t think I would really have any advice for my, you know, new to the scene self. I think I did it okay.
Captain Lynn (11:43)
Thank
Heather (11:44)
Patty, what about you? You didn’t answer the question.
Patty (11:47)
I think for me it would definitely be my learning to say no, how to gracefully get out of things, but also to not take things so serious and to enjoy the process because it is kind of a learning experience.
Heather (12:03)
How do you gracefully get out of things?
Patty (12:05)
by saying.
I’m going to go get a drink of water and excusing yourself for saying, I don’t really like how you’re touching me right now. You didn’t ask my permission or my consent. Setting a personal boundary and you can do it without it being an ugly confrontational thing. And I think I would love to hear how the rest of you ladies have set a personal boundary at either
⁓ a play event or either just in a poly relationship, how you’ve tactfully gotten out of something. Captain Lin, how would you tactfully get out of something or how have you tactfully gotten out of something?
Captain Lynn (12:43)
⁓
I wanted it like, I don’t have somebody else go. I was just thinking about that. Okay.
Patty (12:48)
Cupcake, how about you?
Heather (12:50)
No.
Okay.
Patty (12:51)
Okay.
Cupcake (12:52)
I I got a funny little story. ⁓
Captain Lynn (12:55)
Yeah,
go.
Cupcake (12:56)
So when I first started hanging out or getting to know Cookie, we went to an event in LA that was club-ish, BDSM-like kind of event. And at this point, I was just getting to know them. Not even Kisses have been involved at this point. And I just remember being at this venue and
both of them went to the restroom and I was like, oh cool, I’ll just sit on this couch by myself for a second, it’s not gonna be that big of a deal, of course, those lines are out the door. And I’m sitting there and I looked at my phone, I was just holding my drink, and then I put my phone down and I thought Noah was coming back and I look over and this very old gentleman sits right next to me and he just looks at me, eyes me up and down and he just goes, are you a mistress? And I was like,
Patty (13:45)
Thank
Cupcake (13:46)
No, I’m not! And then he just was like, I gotta go! And just got up and ran away. So that’s how I gracefully get out of situations.
Heather (13:47)
you
Captain Lynn (13:48)
You
Heather (13:55)
Run.
Run. ⁓
Cupcake (14:00)
But normally it’s just
a, I have to go see one of my partners or whatever, you know, that’s an easy way of like, I have to go check in with someone, you know, and that makes me feel a little bit more protective. Even if I’m not going to check in that someone, this person knows I’m going to see someone else and that I should be a little bit more safer in that situation.
Captain Lynn (14:19)
Yeah.
Patty (14:20)
Heather, I’d like to ask
you that question because I’ve heard a very ⁓ gentle way that cupcake does it, which sets the boundary, but I think you have a little bit of a different take and I’d really like to hear that because there’s a lot of different ways you can approach that.
Heather (14:37)
so for me if someone, I think my biggest one that I react to the quickest is when I’m touched without consent. a while ago I went to a party where I gave consent where I didn’t really want that situation to happen. And now I’ve just learned it’s immediate. will like, even if they’re just touching my shoulder, I will immediately tell them, Hey, you didn’t ask me. And then when they do ask me, it’s going to be a no.
because you should ask me the first time. So I’m pretty abrupt about it and I really don’t care about the person’s feelings because they already have intruded on my space enough to where now I don’t care.
Patty (15:12)
What you kept in Lin?
Captain Lynn (15:13)
Well, you know, not thank you for giving me a chance to think about, you know, the biggest one I think about is when I’m like meeting new people for potential partners and like, I’ll agree to meet for coffee or something that’s real easy and getting a little ways into the conversation. Like, you know, I’m just not feeling it with this. And that is sometimes the hardest thing is to say, okay, I really value my time. And if I’m already knowing that that person is not a good fit for me, they know to be honest and, say, you know,
I bring it back to me and I think what are my feelings and I express my own truths. This is how I’m feeling. I don’t feel the energy between us and I really want that. want, I value your time. I value my time. And so I’m going to, you know, I’d like to finish this conversation up and go home. And, and I think that that’s just demonstrating my philosophy in general is to try to be know what I, what is true for me and then speak that without worrying.
Like Heather says, without worrying about the other person’s feelings, because their feelings are their responsibility, not mine. If I’m being honest and not trying to protect their feelings, then it’s going to be the best outcome. when I’ve been wanting to be just done with a situation, that’s how I get out of it is I’m truthful about where I’m coming from.
without subjecting them to any judgment as best I can.
Patty (16:31)
Lana, how does that work for you? Tell us how you’ve respected your boundaries and gotten out of something maybe you didn’t really want or set that expectation for a boundary.
Lana (16:41)
I grew up without boundaries. So I’m learning how to establish my boundaries and how to be truthful to myself. And truth to me, when I’m just connecting with my body and mind and it changes moment to moment, I feel asking, it’s very sexy. And I’m asked…
just trying to train myself to ask. And I like when people ask and if it’s my maybe or my no, I will tell it’s my no. And if it’s yes, I like to just enjoy common space and enjoy new company, enjoy new people. Sometimes when I’m saying yes,
and I’m not truthful to myself. It’s next morning, it’s regrets. And I try to just create elegant solution to not be in that situation and learning from Heather just to put myself and I’m doing this for me instead to just think about somebody else’s feelings. It’s practice and I’m practicing this.
Heather (17:41)
that we accept that we accept that we that that that we that that
Patty (17:50)
I think that’s a common thing in any type of lifestyle or outside of lifestyle, right? Practicing our own boundaries because that kind of applies to all situations. Jenna, do you have anything that you could add to that? Because I think we’ve all kind of had situations regardless of what our past experiences of where we’ve had to say no or be uncomfortable and speak up about that.
Jenna (18:17)
⁓ there was actually a situation, ⁓ when I worked, as a professional submissive, we did an event, where there were a bunch of, ⁓ submissives who had, ⁓ volunteered to play at a party and the doms, guess, or whatever, some switches, had paid to get in and they would just randomly walk up to you. They’d, you know, you’d have a quick conversation about, boundaries and, things that you
liked, didn’t like or whatever, and then you’d go off and play. So we were all kind of understanding that these people put in a lot of money for our time, which we volunteered for. I had a gentleman come up to me and say that, you know, he wanted to do light spanking, vlogging, certain things. And I was, you know, I was okay with most of that. I had picked out my own toys that I wanted to play with.
And I ended up on a St. Andrew’s cross and my hands were bound and he brought in other toys that were not approved by me. And I immediately called colors and said that I was done. And I had one of the DMs get me off the cross and I left and he was very upset, very mad and ranted and raved about how much money he had just spent and I should have given him my time and blah, blah, blah.
Heather (19:07)
Thank ⁓
Thank
Jenna (19:29)
And I said no and my manager backed me up and said, no, she didn’t want to do that. You brought in things that she did not approve of. And yeah, no, I set my boundary really hard on that day. Cause that’s, you know, that’s just not right. So no, setting boundaries and keeping boundaries are not a problem for me at all. I will tell you straight up.
Patty (19:49)
I like that. that’s certainly a lot safer when you really think about it if you know what you are okay with and not okay with and you can actually speak up about that how that applies to all facets of our life. Well I would like to hear the reason you guys entered into the lifestyle like what things brought you into the lifestyle.
and what would be reasons to come into the lifestyle and maybe a reason to not come into the lifestyle. Captain Lin, we’ll start with you.
Captain Lynn (20:22)
Okay, I certainly came into the lifestyle because I discovered, like Heather said, it’s a lot of fun. ⁓ And I loved that. You know, I used to always say, man, I want a little bit of this person, a little bit of this. Like, there was interest that different relationships brought joy to my life. And by stepping into it, I got to have a lot of that. I
Heather (20:29)
you
Captain Lynn (20:45)
had somebody I really enjoyed sailing with and I had somebody else I really enjoyed skiing with and I had somebody I really enjoyed going to theater with and then the sex was just juicy around all of that. So if you want juicy, sexy life, do it.
Heather (20:51)
you
Thank
Captain Lynn (21:01)
And I always had the philosophy try everything twice because sometimes the first person you know, you’re in a different place in a different place It might be better the second time unless you’re clearly a no never hell no then don’t do it again But yeah, try everything twice. I guess it was my other advice. It should have given to my fruit I was doing that anyway, and you got me on a tangent. well, let’s get the part of your question, Patty
Patty (21:22)
So you’ve talked about reasons that you would enter into it. Tell me a reason that would be a good reason to not. So tell me a reason why you wouldn’t want to enter.
Captain Lynn (21:29)
I
You know, I didn’t have a personal experience this but I experienced other people doing it where they were couples stepping into the lifestyle and They were seem to be doing it to repair Trauma in their relationship and they weren’t dealing with that and instead they were reaching out to try to bring other people in like that was going to be a Band-aid and all I saw was just more drama and hurt that kind of compounded on itself So if your relationship whoever you’re involved with your relationship agreements are not clear
Heather (21:40)
Thank
Captain Lynn (22:00)
And, or there’s just things that need to be talked about. This is not the time to be getting into this lifestyle. That needs to be addressed first.
Patty (22:06)
with that. How about you, Cupcake?
Cupcake (22:08)
So reasons why I would enter, and reasons why I wouldn’t or whatever. I mean…
I totally went into another thought.
I think when I realized that we’re on this earth for a short time and when I started dating as a young person, I never had the conventional route and I never really understood it at that point. And when I started realizing that there was another option from monogamy and that it could benefit my life in so many ways,
and learning that, you know, as a single person, you know, I could meet someone out of nowhere at a bar and hook up with them, but it wasn’t fulfilling. And when I started really realizing that, okay, well, non-monogamy is a great idea. Let me try that after how many years of trying to do what I was trying to do. And starting out thinking that, I just want to be a swinger. I just want to have fun. I want to go and do, you know,
events and do whatever until I found myself caring for people more. And the people that I was wanting to play with are people that I knew, that I trusted, that I enjoyed their company, I was friends with them, they’re not somebody I just kind of met. And how more fulfilling that was compared to just a hookup. And just realizing I deserve to be happy, I deserve to explore what I feel.
will fulfill me as a person and not go to my deathbed saying, wish I had done that. I wish I had experienced that. I wish I had allowed myself to go out of what the normality is and be me, what it feels like it should be me. And I’ve discovered myself so much just in the last year and a half because of that. But I would have to piggyback off of Captain Lin in the sense of don’t go into it trying to repair something. It’s never.
never gonna work. And that you have to be, granted nobody is 100 % mentally healthy, but you need to be at a point where you can have those honest conversations, you cannot have secrets, you can have the things that you need to to make this successful. So if you’re not at that point, know, definitely don’t enter in.
Patty (24:14)
Thank Heather.
Heather (24:15)
Oh, reasons to enter into the lifestyle. Man, is wanting to have a lot of sex a good reason? Because that was mine.
Patty (24:23)
Yes. ⁓
Cupcake (24:24)
100%.
Captain Lynn (24:25)
Yes, yes, yes.
Cupcake (24:28)
When things that
been taboo all your life are things you do every week and you’re like, hm, alright.
Heather (24:31)
Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, that was my sole reason I didn’t have any altruistic kind of to find myself but I ended up learning a lot about myself in lifestyle but yeah, I find out I was bi and I love sex and I wanted to explore about my sexuality and learn more about myself. So I did a lot of that in the lifestyle. But.
Reasons not to. I would say if you’re uncomfortable with any, like as I was learning about myself in lifestyle, I realized I needed therapy and counseling because the more I learn about myself, the more help I need navigating these feelings. So I would say don’t enter into lifestyle if you’re really uncomfortable with things getting raw, things getting intense because that does happen in lifestyle.
it, you’ll have all the feels. So, and you might want to look into somebody helping you navigate those feelings. So if you’re uncomfortable with getting therapy, you don’t want therapy, you hate therapy, don’t do it.
Patty (25:29)
that. How about you Lana? What’s the reason to come in and a reason to not?
Lana (25:34)
So for me, I love people and as more I love people, I create more love and I share more love. love is infinity. It’s never enough kisses, never enough hugs, never enough sex, never enough good time. So it’s good reason to have that fun in a lifestyle. What I would say could be
the way to not go if you are not good communicator. Communication is the key. Communication with your partner, communication with partners. if you can freely ask for what you want and discuss anything and everything, nothing to hide, nothing to chase, nothing to prove, it’s a good idea to just have more fun.
and fill up the cup, sex cup and love cups. It’s what I’m learning and I love this idea. Thank you.
Patty (26:27)
Jenna, how about for you? know you’re kind of newer in some ways, but not in others. Tell me reasons to enter into a lifestyle and maybe a reason to not.
Jenna (26:37)
One of the things that I really liked about the one poly relationship that was also a BDSM relationship, so it of encompassed all of it, I really liked that it was all kind of spread out. Everybody got to play, everybody got to have fun, and it really felt like a family, really. It was nice. It was good to have people to rely on and people to be there for you.
the drama sucked though. Cause when you get, when you get, you know, people vying for attention and they’re not necessarily getting it, that, that, that kind of blows. but I definitely think, like has been said a few times, if you’re trying to fix something, opening up your relationship is not the way to go. I tried that, trust me, it doesn’t work.
⁓ neither just having kids actually that doesn’t fix it either. Also from experience. but, no, I, I think that if you, if you feel like you’re, able to love multiple people and can do that, openly and honestly, I think that’s great. You should do that. You should definitely try it. but.
Patty (27:23)
You
Jenna (27:38)
If you’re just going in there to cause drama for somebody, just stay home.
Patty (27:41)
So we, yes, we’ve got about two minutes left. Maybe we could take a quick second and just go around and talk about a couple things maybe we took away from it or any last thought before we wrap up the night. Let’s go with Captain Lin.
Lana (27:41)
Good advice.
Captain Lynn (27:57)
Okay, I kept wanting it like when other people share like what a term I love to use is ASCO another fucking growth opportunity because you know, that’s for the light like over the span of time like Jenna was just saying like these things happen and we learn something about ourselves and I would learn something about myself. I learned something about people I cared about at a deeper level and maybe it make some things really raw, but I want to grow.
Patty (28:04)
Yeah.
Heather (28:04)
Thank
Captain Lynn (28:22)
and I want to be a better person and I want to be more connected to the people I love. And this lifestyle has brought me that and I am grateful for the Afgos because every time something happens that triggers my emotions, I know the work is in me. so, yay. That’s all I got. Yay, do it, just do it.
Lana (28:38)
Yay!
Patty (28:41)
I’m gonna
have to use that from now on. Cupcake, how about you, Cupcake? Any last thoughts or words?
Heather (28:44)
I love that.
Cupcake (28:48)
I mean going back to boundaries and like it’s not a negative to insert your boundaries and you know making sure they’re met because you’re gonna enjoy your life so much more because you’re doing things that you want and that you care about rather than spending time, precious time on your you know your short life doing things that you weren’t 100 % happy with and you know I’ve had
A lot happened just the last year that I told myself I need to allow myself to be happy and it was part of my healing process. I need to allow myself to heal otherwise why am I here? Why am I on this earth? know, and just pushing towards your own personal happiness.
Patty (29:32)
like that. Heather, we got a quick second and then I’ll get to Lainey and Jenner really quick. Any last quick contributions?
Heather (29:38)
Well, you didn’t say
why you entered into the lifestyle,
Hmm.
Patty (29:43)
We’ll have to get into that on an interview podcast.
Heather (29:46)
could be our closing statement, why you got into the lifestyle.
Patty (29:49)
I got into the lifestyle because I had fantasies and John asked me what they were and I told him it was about being with women and we decided to explore that. And our marriage was very solid. We were very young but very solid. So we entered for that reason. And I haven’t regretted it. Thank you.
Heather (29:53)
I will.
Well, you’re welcome.
Captain Lynn (30:07)
You
Patty (30:08)
Alright,
well I appreciate all of you. Thank you for joining us tonight, and I hope you will join us in the future. This has been a lot of fun, and hopefully we all took away something from it and gave other people something to take away from it. So thank you for joining us tonight. Yes.
Heather (30:23)
Yeah, we all have afgoats now.
Captain Lynn (30:25)
Right?
Yay!
Lana (30:29)
Yay, thank you.
Captain Lynn (30:31)
Lovely to see all of you tonight.