In this intimate and powerful one-on-one, Alonzo Banx sits down with Cupcake, one of the most loved voices of the PolySoCal community. For the first time, she shares her journey through trauma, recovery, and self-discovery — from surviving assault and toxic relationships to finding love, strength, and healing through kink, polyamory, and community. What begins as a personal history unfolds into a message of courage, growth, and the freedom to finally live as your authentic self.
Alonzo Banx (Host), Cupcake (Guest)
Alonzo Banx (00:00)
Welcome back to the PolysoCal podcast. am Alonzo Banks. Tonight, rather than one of our round tables, we have a one-on-one conversation with the elusive and alluring Cupcake. One of our favorites who’ve been on the podcast a few times. We’re going to delve into her backstory and a little bit of what she thinks of this community and her role in it. So with that.
Hi cupcake.
Cupcake (00:27)
Hi.
Alonzo Banx (00:28)
How you doing tonight?
Cupcake (00:29)
doing pretty good, how are you?
Alonzo Banx (00:32)
I’m good, you seem a little demure as usual when you get started, I know how those things go. But for those who maybe are meeting you for the first time on this cast, why don’t you give a little background of who you are and what your relationship status and affiliations are?
Cupcake (00:54)
Yeah, so I’m Cupcake. I’ve been in and out of the kink community for 10 plus years. I have been with my husband for three years, total of over eight years. And I’m also partnered with a couple of our other podcast participants, Noah and Cookie, and that’s been going on for a little over a year as well.
Alonzo Banx (01:19)
No. And you have been on our podcast a number of times and had some very interesting things to say along the way. So.
Cupcake (01:24)
Yeah.
I guess you could say I’m interesting.
Alonzo Banx (01:35)
Well, we think
you’re interesting, which is why I asked you to do this one-on-one conversation, because I think your story is compelling. I think there’s a lot of people out there that would understand and relate to you. And I happen to know that you are quite a brave woman who is willing to open up and help others out. But I’m going to start by putting this right in your lap when I asked you to do this conversation.
You said, I know what I would think people would want to hear. So what is that? What do you think people would want to hear from you?
Cupcake (02:11)
Well, I’ll try not to cry throughout this entire process. I mean, I think what a lot of people don’t hear is how people process what they’ve gone through in their lives to come to, you know, where they are in the present. It’s taken me
I mean, not as long as maybe some people, but you know, I’m 37 years old and I’ve only really felt like I’ve been able to be my authentic self maybe in the last year, year and a half. And there’s obviously tons of factors to that. And that’s, know, your upbringing, your social circles, your idea of what is, you know, normal and what you’ve been taught.
but I think that I’ve had an interesting life. you know, and I think it really started to just kind of click on my subconscious or my, you know, my thought process of why I am the way I am and why I feel I am my authentic self now and why I was always wondering back in the day when things were different and I felt different.
why those things now make sense. If that’s clear. So I guess kind of starting from the beginning, which I don’t know is necessarily obviously from birth, but you know, from the time that I started developing as a an adult or, you know, a young adult, you know, I did theater and dance most of my, you know, childhood, which
Sometimes can be a total just like, that makes sense. But, you know, I never really dated as a young adult and I don’t know if it was ever something that was really not necessarily supported by my parents, but it was you’re busy, you don’t need to, you know, and I didn’t ever really get like
the expectations or ground rules of what dating as a young adult was because it just never came up. I had, you know, not very great self-esteem as I don’t really, maybe not now either, but as a young adult, I was, you know, in theater. I tend to be the person in the background because I didn’t ever really get the support of being able to be
you know, a lead or a front runner or in the front line and, you know, that can definitely toll on somebody, but it was always kind of this idea of not being good enough, not being,
important enough or you know I had an older brother that was always kind of the star and if you know theater well they’re going to support males in the theater community much more than females because there’s a ratio that is very heavy on the female range than the males and they’re always going to be your males are going to generally be more popular in the sense of getting roles and getting
attention and support and the females are going to be fighting like, you know, cats and dogs trying to climb their way up. So unfortunately, I always kind of lived in the shadow of my brother. So it wasn’t really ever me being able to show people who I am. And that kind of also turned into just my mental health and
being kind of just, you know, in the background.
Alonzo Banx (05:42)
If you don’t mind me jumping in with a question here, is it that you didn’t have the opportunities or didn’t feel like you could take them yourself or were you being actively held down? What do you think the cause of your not step, you’re not being moved up at that point?
Cupcake (05:44)
Sure.
you
I don’t think I ever was given the opportunity. I don’t think that…
I ever felt like I was being given the opportunity, therefore did I ever have the confidence to really try, if that makes sense. I would go to the auditions, I would try to audition, but you know, those nerves would ultimately kind of debilitate me in the moment, and you know, I wouldn’t give my best performance, and it would cause me to probably just lose my chance, you know, and who knows, I could have, it could have been different.
And I don’t know why that is. I don’t. I can’t understand quite yet what that like turning factor was in my, you know, childhood that just shot my total confidence. But unfortunately that happened. But it also kind of turned into my, you know, my social life where I wasn’t ever really all that important to other people. And it kind of, when I started having, you know,
purity happened and interest in boys and interest in, you know, dating or, you know, sex at all, but it was kind of… I was more just turning into the object because I needed the attention, if that makes sense. ⁓
Alonzo Banx (07:13)
And
if you don’t mind, what age range was that? Were you a late bloomer, an early bloomer?
Cupcake (07:18)
Definitely,
my first kiss was probably, it was the first week of high school. And I don’t know how many people are gonna know this, maybe some millennials, mostly maybe California millennials, but there was a thing going on where they, would take the inside of a lid of a Coke bottle and you make a bracelet out of it and they called them kiss bracelets. And there’s these thin little pieces of plastic that you wore around your wrist and if someone broke that, you get a kiss.
And I’m like, yeah, that’s fun. You know, I haven’t had my first kiss, you know, and obviously that, you know, I went to a gathering with a few people that I knew and I was staying the night at their house and this boy that I, I mean, wasn’t necessarily super interested in, but like, I’m still young. I didn’t really know what I was interested in. broke the bracelet and I had my first kiss, but that kind of spiraled into, you know,
the idea that maybe I was somebody that people could do that kind of stuff with easily, if that makes sense. And I kind of jumped from guy to guy. Granted, the one thing I wouldn’t do was have sex. And I would jump from guy to guy being kind of like a kissing bandit and any little other fooling around, fondling, but it would just…
I kind of had a list of these guys that just expected this from me. And I didn’t know better whether or not that was healthy or not. I just, that’s what I did. And I was proud that I kind of still stuck to like the no sex thing, but the whole reason I did any of that is because I had this, you know, idea that you’re supposed to meet a man, you know, get married, have sex.
have kids, buy house, whatever. So I was like, I can’t do that yet. That’s not something you do yet. And so I kind of tried to hold on to that really hard. even with that mindset, I still felt like what I was needing to do was still get this attention from men. So I would post pictures or flirt or,
like some millennial kids did, go into chat rooms when you’re underage and talk to adult men that were probably not great people. But it was just something that you kind of did. And it kind of just continued to spiral for me. And I never really dated. And I remember that I tried, someone asked me out and I said, sure. And we dated for a week, never wanted a date. And after that week, I said, I don’t like it.
stopped it. And that’s kind of all the dating I did in my entire high school, you know, whatever career, you know, high school years. And after I got out of high school, I didn’t know how to date, I didn’t know what it was. And so it was me kind of reclusing into gaming, and meeting, you know,
guys online and flirting with them and you know things like that and it still never was healthy. And unfortunately I at 20 years old had met a guy offline and he had come to visit me from Northern California and I told him before he got here I was like you can come visit but you know we’re not gonna have sex. And unfortunately that wasn’t how things went down.
it wasn’t right. And it took me, I want to say about six months to really realize what had happened. And when you have something like your virginity taken from you, not by choice, especially in the mental state that I already was, it can take a toll.
And for many years, I felt worthless. I didn’t feel.
feel broken.
afraid
And it kind of led me to continue these relationships with people that were just going to use me. And it got to the point where anytime someone tried to even get close to me, I would have a panic attack. And it took years for me to get through that. And…
I finally kind of started getting through it probably in my mid-20s, but I still wasn’t ever having any healthy relationships. And I would try and something would scare me and I’d run away, you know, and I got to a point where I was like, okay, whatever, you know, it doesn’t, I can try, it doesn’t matter. And I met someone that
was the first person that kind of…
made me think that there was something different than a monogamous relationship. And I didn’t understand it at the time. Because at this point I was starting to dive into the kink world because I didn’t know where else to go. I kind of started relating with being a submissive and
just feeling like an object, but feeling like a submissive not in a good way, if that makes sense.
early 20s, a few years after what had happened to me, and it resonated with me, but I didn’t know where to go from there. So when I met my ex that wanted an open relationship or a poly relationship, he also kink shamed me. And
So all of sudden I’m feeling like I’m finding something that might resonate with me or help me and then I get thrown into this relationship where I wasn’t sure what it was and what it meant and it was kind of forced on me. But then also being told who I was was not, it was wrong. And…
Alonzo Banx (13:02)
I
don’t mean to delve too deep, but are we talking about a submissive relationship? Because you’ve mentioned that and you’ve also mentioned Polly. So what was it about the relationship that was the destructive?
Cupcake (13:17)
My ex wanted me to be okay with open and poly relationships when I didn’t understand what they
but also would make me feel bad for the want to add kink to my life or add kink to my relationship.
And so…
Alonzo Banx (13:31)
You wanted
it and he made you feel bad for wanting it. Okay.
Cupcake (13:35)
Correct. While also
making me in a relationship I didn’t understand the dynamics of or had any practice in. Because I had grown up with this normal mindset of monogamous relationships. And so I did my best, but not really, in being okay with it.
It just kind of delved more down into the fact that it was just a toxic relationship to begin with, and it wasn’t necessarily the fact that it was not monogamous that was the problem. There was a lot of issues in that. And after a year or so, I kind of just went, you know, you’re not really a good person and I don’t really want to be with you. And I got out of it. Unfortunately, still peeling from my own
past trauma and past trauma of this relationship, I kind of went back into my old ways of just craving attention and craving men’s attention and probably getting myself into not great situations and never really knowing how to protect myself and how to live without.
fear, but also the craving of the intimacy, if that makes sense, and then always just not finding the right safe people to do so. Sure.
Alonzo Banx (15:00)
And forgive me and feel free to avoid the question.
The fear, the fear of what
Cupcake (15:06)
being taken advantage of and not being able to say no.
My fear, my panic attacks delve around the idea that if I said no, someone wouldn’t stop, even if I said no. And to put myself in any situation where I felt like I’m not gonna be able to say no, I would either run and hide or I would…
go through with it and fortunately there had been multiple times that I did say no and it didn’t work.
It was a continuous downward spiral, unfortunately. And shortly after I had broken up with that ex and I had kind gone through that spiral, I had met someone that was a dominant and a polydominant. And I thought, well, maybe I’m finally going to find what I need.
And I was hopeful, but unfortunately that relationship was not good either. I was a secret from his other partners. I was not allowed to approach this person in public. I had to be 24 seven submissive via mostly text message and phone calls, but
I got maybe rare occasions that I would be able to go to this person’s home and have time with them, it wasn’t… While it helped me in certain ways, and I can’t say that it didn’t, being a submissive in general was very healing for me. It wasn’t the right one. It wasn’t the right situation. And after a not great session where I finally just kind of was like,
this isn’t healthy for me, I stepped out of that. And shortly after that, I met my husband. And so that was about 2017 when I met my husband and my husband…
kind of was a surprise for me. I met him through a group of friends through the Renaissance Fair and I didn’t expect anything from it but I was like, you know, someone nice to flirt with, you know, that’s cute and ginger. And I have a thing for gingers. And for a few months it was just kind of back and forth, very light flirting, nothing substantial.
And there was one day at the fair where it was raining and I had gotten far too intoxicated and found myself at the wrong side of the fair from where I was supposed to be. And walking up towards me was a, you know, a pirate, shirtless pirate soaked in rain. And I was like,
Oh, my savior. And he’s just like, what’s wrong? And I was like, I need to go lay down. I’m cold. I’m wet. I’m drunk. And he’s like, oh, well, let me walk you to our friend’s camp. And maybe they’ll let you in one of their tents or whatever. And so he walked me and I felt warm. he was holding me and it made me feel warm. And even though he was short list and soaking wet himself, he walked us.
Alonzo Banx (18:14)
But
he was a pirate. Yeah, a ginger pirate.
Cupcake (18:16)
Yes, he’s a pirate, yeah, know,
a ginger pirate, one that runs around throwing candorines at people and yelling scurvy, things like that. And he walked me to our friend’s camp and they said, yeah, just use my tent, you guys can go and relax for a little bit. And he came with me and he was about to leave and I was like, no, I want you to stay and cuddle me because you’re warm.
but I have to get up at this specific time to go do this thing. He’s like, okay, I’ll send a subtle alarm, right? And he set an alarm and we cuddled and he didn’t expect anything.
He did, you know, there was one point where we got a little flirty and we were about to kiss and then the alarm went off and I was like, I gotta go. And I got up and I left. And just those interactions, someone flirted with me and didn’t expect something from me and wasn’t upset that they didn’t get it. And I said to myself, I was like, okay, maybe this is a good one. And
We, you know, continued to flirt. We didn’t really see each other for a couple months and then we met up at, you know, a mutual party. And I had brought my tent, he had brought his tent to stay overnight. And I was like, it seems like it’s gonna be kind of cold. Like, would you be interested staying in my tent? And he’s like, yeah. And I was like, but I’m gonna tell you right now. I’m not interested in having sex with you. And he’s like, no, that doesn’t.
matter to me and he’s like, it’s totally fine. And we cuddled and that was it. And he didn’t expect anything. And it was like this weird eye-opener to me. I was like, this is weird. Like, does he like me? Does he, does he, what is this? This is not normal for me. And I grew to trust him more and more. And shortly after that,
you know, we kind of started seeing each other more often. Obviously, it developed and the difference was that he never expected me to be anything but me. And when we developed our relationship, we were open about what we wanted to explore, what we have explored, what we’ve been interested in exploring, and it never was
No, we need to do this, this, and this. It was, let’s do this together. Let’s explore this, whatever we want it to be. And it was never an expectation of like, you need to fit into this box. And I felt safe. And all of a sudden my panic attacks would start dwindling. I would have them, but all he would do is just come up and hold me and just be there.
and, you know, protect me. And after six or so months of dating, I didn’t have panic attacks anymore. And while my relationship with my husband hasn’t ever really had much other than maybe, you know, in bedroom situations of any type of like DS dynamic, he was what I needed.
in that moment. And I can’t thank him enough just to have been in my life for that.
We just grew together and we told each other that, you know, no matter what, we make this joke because we’re both gamers that we don’t leave the party, you know, and the party is the group that does all of the dungeons and the tasks and the quests together. And that was that was our our goal is just don’t we do we don’t leave the party and we always work things out however we can. And
We got married in 2022. So we’ve been married for about three years. And that’s, you know, I mean, you can get up to 2025 and now we’re, you know, in full blown poly relationships. And, you know, my relationship with Noah and Cookie is very based around kink, which, you know, was supportive of my husband after some
stuff that I had gone through and to dive more deeper into that, about a year and a half ago, I found out I had a condition called PCOS, along with some conditions that I have of fibromyalgia and arthritis. But the PCOS was very difficult diagnosis because at the time my husband and I had decided to try to have a child.
And it wasn’t until was 36 years old that I was told that I possibly couldn’t.
and
That was probably the hardest thing to hear.
Alonzo Banx (22:44)
Okay, take your time.
Cupcake (22:46)
you
When I found out I had PCOS, I was at the heaviest weight I had ever been, about 240 pounds.
I find out that I… my body won’t let me do the one thing I thought that I was supposed to do.
And then I worked so hard towards.
And at that moment, I had to decide to live for me and to take care of myself because I had to grieve the fact that I might never get that. But I needed to be happy. And I wasn’t happy. I didn’t feel well. I was overweight. I was sick. And I didn’t take care of myself. And that diagnosis was
Unfortunately, the kick in the ass that I needed to be doing something for me. And I had only met Noah and Cookie probably a week or two before this.
We had only kind of just started talking about, you know…
kink and things like that and at the time only expected friendship I didn’t expect anything out of this you know but I needed I needed to do what was best for me and I got put on medication to help regulate my hormones which would hopefully help me lose weight but I changed everything
I changed my diet, I changed my lifestyle, started going to the gym, I just taking care of me. And that’s kind of when I started.
expressing to my husband that
I wanted to explore this possibility of a dom sub relationship with Noah and he was in support of it because he knew how it was feeling and he was open to that. And that’s kind of where things started to develop and while the whole
process of, you know, whether or not I’m gonna have child has always been still up in the air. It’s having this in my life has changed my life because I feel, not that I didn’t feel protected by my husband before, but I felt what I needed to kick myself in the butt.
and
motivation to take care of myself and the feel of the protection that I kind of always craved and always needed because I feel like if I had had the type of protection that I have now with my partners I wouldn’t have been where I was when I was younger and when I was 20 in situations where I’d let people take advantage of me.
And I hope that…
And by saying this, that people find ways to protect themselves. And if you’re not strong enough to do it, find people that will be there for you and be there to protect you. And don’t be afraid.
And to try to be strong for yourself. And all these years I thought something was wrong with me because I wanted these things and where I wanted…
more love and I kept just trying to get more love and all I got was the wrong people. And to have the relationships I have now, not expecting them to have ever happened and now I’ve got, you know, three wonderful partners that want to protect me. It’s probably the reason I’m alive today.
Alonzo Banx (26:21)
And know there’s a lot of people listening to this podcast in the art who are very glad that you are. So there’s two things about you that I think personify a kind of strength that is very rare. And I’m going to ask you two questions. And I want you to understand that as I ask the questions.
I’m doing it because I know there’s a lot of people in the audience who would benefit from understanding your thinking behind them. Okay? So they’re going to sound a little bit pushy, but go with me. Me pushy? Never, never.
Cupcake (27:01)
You pushy never.
You
Alonzo Banx (27:05)
You, after a lifetime of wanting to find someone who could protect you, help you and make you feel safe, had the great fortune of meeting with your husband. Something that many, many people never have that connection. And yet you chose to go from there and seek out yet
another relationship. What’s the rationale and how did you come about that decision to risk what you had while reaching for something more?
Cupcake (27:43)
It was never… never felt like it was a risk.
It, like I said, my husband and I have always been open to the opportunities. While we decided to spend a good amount of time focused on our own relationship, we were always open to opportunities of exploring things. And one thing that we always did throughout our relationship, and we still do, is have conversations about boundaries every time we go to
party every time we go to an event, every time we go to a festival, and it’s like, okay, where are we at? You know, like, what do we want out of this event? Or, you know, what would be open to it? And so it was never really a big jump. We had pretty much kind of fully opened up the relationship shortly before my PCOS diagnosis.
with our boundaries at, obviously, certain boundaries on sex itself. But it was never, it wasn’t that big of a junk, so it didn’t feel like a risk. It felt like this is something that we will discuss as it goes along and continue talking about boundaries and continue talking about how we feel in the situation and.
let it develop as it’s going to develop naturally rather than contain it.
Alonzo Banx (29:03)
So you had been into either some level of swinging or polyamory prior to this. You had been in an open early.
Cupcake (29:12)
Correct. Through our relationship, we would have considered ourselves monogamish. So we we, you know, we did dive into some swinging options. We would go to kink parties and, you know, sexy parties and
I never really felt super open to hooking up with random people. That’s never been something that I’ve felt comfortable with, at least not for the last eight plus years, based off of my history. So anytime that we would do something or go to an event, it was kind of more in the idea of who we feel comfortable opening up to, or who do we feel comfortable connecting with in those ways.
it kind of started realizing to me that I wasn’t really all that interested in just the swinging dynamic because it wasn’t really fulfilling to me. I needed the connection, I needed the trust, I needed to feel, especially because I’ve had that with my husband for so long that I wouldn’t go back. I had healed enough that I knew that that’s not.
was going to ever be fulfilling to me and it was never going to feel good anymore. So I wouldn’t say that it was necessarily a jump. It was a progression.
Alonzo Banx (30:31)
Okay. And one of the things that I’ve pointed out about you in a few of our podcasts now is you personify in my mind, such a healthy relationship to being a sub. You find your, well, I’ll let you put your words at, how does it make you feel? And
What’s your relationship with that?
Cupcake (31:00)
For people that may not understand a sub or a DOM sub dynamic, people from the outside looking in that may not have enough context may think, this most of the time male type figure is controlling this most of the time female submissive person. And it’s not at all what that is.
What I’ve gained out of this healthy dynamic versus some of the other dynamics that I have had that weren’t is the support and motivation to me being a better person.
Everything that Noah tries to do is help me as a person. And what do I want to achieve with my life? And what do I want to achieve with my health? And what do I want to achieve in my mind? And creating ways for me to, as somebody that doesn’t ever feel like they have spoons or doesn’t feel like they have energy or feel ill because of my chronic issues.
It kind of gives me motivation to do those things for myself. Go to the gym three times a week, you know, work on a certificate to try to better my career. Things that I wouldn’t do unless I had someone kind of pushing me to do so. And it’s not that my husband never did that. He’s also on a different playing field where he loves me so much that he wants to be supportive.
but his support is whatever you need to do. And I don’t fault him for that, that he loves the crap out of me. I’m I’m never gonna be upset by that. But you know, that’s just, it’s just different. And it, he resonated that that wasn’t something that he was gonna be great at.
Alonzo Banx (32:45)
We’ve had that conversation a few times. is very, it is, I find the ideal of a 24 seven Dom sub relationship, like you hear in the movies, it’s really hard when you’re truly in love with someone. But whole nother conversation, you mentioned something in there in passing that you’ve said a few times on our show, had enough spoons. What does that mean? A of us don’t know what spoons.
Cupcake (32:47)
Yeah
yeah. so, the spoons concept is very much well used in people with chronic health issues. So like I’ve mentioned, have fibromyalgia, which is a chronic health condition that I might have for the rest of my life, which is a very hard condition to diagnose. It’s based, to explain that a little more, it’s based a lot off of
Alonzo Banx (33:13)
mean.
Cupcake (33:36)
how my brain…
how my brain handles pain. And that can be caused through traumatic injuries, traumatic…
just life events, which I could say I have had a few. And it’s the way that my brain processes pain. So a lot of times you’ll go through all these different testing for all of this chronic pain. You don’t understand why you hurt all the time or why your body just doesn’t want to do things or, and it’s a very difficult process to learn. And
Obviously having arthritis, that’s a whole nother condition. But the concept of spoons is your energy bank, or your social bank, or your ability to do normal tasks daily. Doing the dishes, doing the laundry, getting up and bathing yourself. And the concept of you have these amount of spoons each day, and you wake up with a certain amount of spoons.
And sometimes getting out of bed takes four or five spoons. And the getting dressed takes another two or three spoons. And some days getting out of bed, one spoon. Getting dressed, no spoons. But it’s the fact that it’s a roller coaster each day on how you’re going to feel. And when you run out of those spoons, you’re, you can’t do it. You can’t function. You become
shut down. And if you’re running on no spoons and you’re somebody like me, unfortunately, who doesn’t know how to just rest, you run on zero spoons almost all the time. And it can be debilitating and social, you know, social events going to a party either may not happen or you have you spend three or four days recovering because it took so much out of you.
Alonzo Banx (35:18)
I have heard the same analogy with.
Cupcake (35:21)
Sure. Yeah, it could be a very similar analogy. Your cup is overflowing, your cup is empty. Yeah, very similar.
Alonzo Banx (35:29)
the,
yeah. Okay, so let’s do the hardest part of this. There are two people that I want you to talk to. In our audience are people like you way further back at the beginning of your journey.
What advice would you give them?
Cupcake (35:50)
Ahem.
You’re worth so much more. And even if people make you think you’re not, you’re worth it. And even if you think that someone out there isn’t going to accept you for who you are, there will be multiple people that will. And you just have to find them. And…
I can’t really say that it’s gonna be easy, but you need to find the support and you need to look for it. Don’t recluse, don’t give up. There will be people there, whether or not they’re your biological family, they might be a chosen family and I promise you, you will find them.
Alonzo Banx (36:30)
Now let’s put this a different way. For every one of those people out there, there’s a number of people in their lives who want to help them, but don’t know how. Don’t know how to get through, don’t know how to approach them. What advice would you give to people who want to help, but don’t know how?
Cupcake (36:53)
Sharing your experience, you know, be brave enough to share your experience because somebody’s gonna need it.
Alonzo Banx (36:59)
Well, you’ve certainly done that. And I know that our audience absolutely loves and adores you. And I know that because I get the inbound email.
Cupcake (37:04)
Thank
Me?
Alonzo Banx (37:10)
And as you
know, yeah, I get the inbound email. So I know that you are adored by many people out there. You’re absolutely someone that brings attention every time you appear on the podcast. As we wrap this up, what last thoughts, what feelings or things did you want to say tonight that you haven’t had a chance to?
Cupcake (37:32)
Remember that even if the thoughts in your head are not what society deems normal, it’s just different, it’s not wrong. Explore, but do it safely. But don’t box yourself in and assume that you have to be what everyone expects you to be.
Alonzo Banx (37:52)
are great words. Thank you for doing this with me tonight.
Cupcake (37:55)
Thank you.
Alonzo Banx (37:56)
Everyone make sure to follow us on PolysoCal podcast, come to our events, check out what we’re doing online and come to our round tables. My name is Alonzo Banks. This has been another episode of the PolysoCal podcast. Good night, everyone.
Cupcake (38:13)
Good night.